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Yes, Hospice assists in killing your loved ones. All this pumping them up with different drugs that are proven to not actually help with anything, hence having to get them refilled. If these drugs actually helped our loved ones like they claim they do we wouldn't need to get refills. I just find it bizzare that all the precedures of individuals in hospice care turn out the same exact way, very similar. Loved ones become unresponsive, heart starts racing, etc. All these similar patterns are no coincidence. We need to start questioning and doing our research on this modern medicine. Alot of these hospice nurses and some doctors dont value human life. They make it seem as if they are helping but in reality they are just worsening the conditions. Pumping all those drugs and chemicals into a sick individual every so often is not helping them at all. Yea we can give them something to assist them with the pain their feeling but we are poisoning them in reality. I was assisting a friend of the family before she passed of colon cancer they pumped her with 4 different drugs over a short time period claiming this was helping her and she is no longer with us. There are other ways to heal diseases we shouldn't be so quick to trust in strangers with our loved ones. We should exhaust all other possibilities before that one.
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I am not even going to dignify this with a reply.
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Then you shouldn't have even replied
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Shadaia, I don't know where you are getting your data from but your experience has not been mine. My mother was not "pumped full" of any medications. We only started the morphine when she was in pain and then not even a baby's sized dose. I am sorry that your experience was so horrific to you. In fact the help was probably all that made your friend comfortable before death. Please do remember that Hospice is meant to ease the passing. Neither rush it nor prolong it.

If it pains you to not use extraordinary measures then Hospice is not for you.
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Thank you PCVS,

It was horrific the way everything played out in front of my eyes. I just felt as if the process was so rushed and the nurse we had was not compassionate. She had already given her morphine to ease the pain so she was resting. Then she gave her Oxycodone and 2 other medications within short periods of time. Hearing multiple families stories who had similar experiences to me just put things into perspective. Yes Hospice may have helped you and others but that's not going to be the case for everyone. People have different experiences and see things differently and You are right Hospice is not for me and I will never use them for my loved ones.
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Wow..how is it that people can only have positive experiences with hospice.....those same people also be rude and mean to those that did not have a positive experience with hospice....that is great if your loved one had the pleasure of good hospice...but please..can't you show some tiny bit of compassion for those that did not..or is it beneath you..or will it make you question yourselves..and your motives....not everyone has the desired outcome and experience...and sometimes things go wrong or have a lacking educated. support..the drugs used have adverse affects..and timing can be off...as well as the expectation of the family..and the person passing..or not..as to how they are being drugged..or passed..so sad that such little compassion is shown in these postings for those that had bad experiences..
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The first hospice my father was in was AWFUL. A few years after he expired, I read in the paper that this hospice was audited and permanently closed due to fraudulent billing. The second hospice my father was in was good.

Health care is no different than any other business...there are good and bad ones out there and you just have to network to find the good ones before your loved one actually needs it. Unfortunately, not many of us have this option because we just go with whatever agency is handed to us in the midst of a medical crisis. Because of my father's experience, I have two hospices that I know are good and are on my speed dial for the time when I have to put mother on hospice.
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Shadaia,

Yes, that has been my same experience. Hospice is supposed to come up with a plan of care for each patient, based on the patient's individual needs. All I've ever known them to do is pump them up with morphine, adivan, haldol and others. It's the same protocol for every patient!

I recommend the Hospice Patients Alliance website. It is filled with information about this. It was founded by a former hospice nurse turned whistleblower.

Carly Walden is a board member of the Hospice Patients Alliance, and she now has her own radio show about this. Just look up the Marti Oakley Show on blog talk radio.
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Glad Mari Oakley found another way to earn a living, expect it pays better than nursing.
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I seriously doubt Marti is making a killing at being an independent radio show host (pun intented)!
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It was hard this year, but I am finally able to cope with the death of my mother. I did home hospice with my mom out of love and respect for my mom. I at first that the actions of hospice rushed her to die. I realize now after all of the thinking if things would be different if I had taken a different path would she have lived longer. Hindsight is always better than in the moment. Mom was ready to let go, i just helped her to go pain free and with her family instead of with strangers.

I recently was in the hospital myself and in the room next to me was an older woman who like my mom could not use the call button for help, she was calling for help and I used my call button to let the nurses know that she was calling for help. I just hope that I will receive the care like my mom.
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I have a question. When my husband was dying of cancer, Hospice gave me cream to apply to each side of his neck under the ears. I had to wear gloves when applying this. This was in 2009 and I have always wondered what this was. He died within hours of using this. I thank God for Hospice.
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Probably ABHR cream or gel. It is an antinausea/antivomitting med.
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yes they did it to ours when he begged to breath and his oxegen required 30 and they said they can only allow 10, he suffocated and morphine stopped his heart
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I want my mother to have comfort measures, obviously, and I've been thinking about when is the right time to put her on Hospice because I'll only put her on Hospice when she's in critical decline. She qualified five years ago. I don't believe in dragging out the death process for months upon months - for her. This is just cruel.

Last night I talked to the CVS pharmacist. I asked him if morphine will stop the pain of sepsis building up from a UTI because as of now the next time my mother gets a UTI, my plan is to put her on Hospice and let nature take it's course as she's been homebound for five years from due to no quality of life. He said no and that morphine will only help with the pain and she will still feel a lot of discomfort as the infection is building up in her bloodstream - even with sedatives. He also said with some patients, morphine causes insomnia so that just makes the whole end of life process even worse for the patient. The reason why I bring this up is that it all depends on what is the medical condition that led to your loved one to go on Hospice. An example: When a patient is experiencing delirium in the last months or weeks or whatever, the typical care plan is to prescribe morphine and a sedative - but for some patients, these sedatives actually can cause a psychotic break because they make the existing dementia symptoms - or those genetically predisposed to dementia - even worse. There are plenty of documented clinical studies on Web supporting this. Last year, my mother was on Ativan to try to help her sleep - two weeks later she turned into a psychotic uncontrollable nightmare...very combative, very angry, would not eat, etc. I immediately stopped it and called her PCP and told him "Hell NO!" to Ativan. After a few days, she back to her normal self. If she were under Hospice care, they may have viewed her behavior as this is the end of life when it's actually the medications they are using because they are not appropriate for her genetic health. It's not unusual for off-label drugs to be used while on Hospice - and Hospice knows this - but they are limited to the types of drugs that are available for use because of manufacturing/pharma companies working 24/7 on the next miracle drug to treat this or that medical condition and if there was a drug that's appropriate for delirium issues - most definitely they would use it. It's not the fault of Hospice when there is no drug on the market right now that can treat complicated delirium issues near end of life. I'm not a martyr for Hospice because my father did have a bad experience with one of them (but I have two good ones for my mother when the time comes). As a POA/loved one making decisions, you need to be practical about what it is you want with the understanding that it may not work - and do whatever it takes to relieve the suffering as quickly as possible - for the patient. When Mom does go on Hospice, she will start with morphine...if they suggest a sedative that I know isn't appropriate for her - I'm telling them no and I'll just let her ride it out until her end because it's criminal to give her something like Ativan or Haldol when I 100% know it will cause a psychotic break. I'd rather have her body shut down from dehydration or no food and have the overall decline process be done with in a few days. I'll just put on my headphones while she's screaming. For the last six months, she's been talking about my father - a first in ten years when he expired - and she keeps saying she wants to "go home". I tell her, it's okay you can go and I'll miss you. She replies I'll miss you too. Of course I leave the room to cry because I don't want her to see this.

A POA/loved one can always refuse medication or treatment plan from Hospice or any healthcare professionals - Just tell them no. Because of my father's horrific suffering in the healthcare industry, I've taken it upon myself to thoroughly educate every medical treatment for us. Too many people are too trusting of their healthcare providers...People spend hours researching the best school system for their kids...the best washer and dryer...the best-used car...but when it comes to healthcare, they blindly hand over their case to someone, many times a stranger, who spends less than 15min reviewing it. The doctor is there to treat. How often do they start a consult with "Let's talk about the quality of life." It's not their job to do this because of medical liability but there are some doctors that do - not many. I was painfully burned by what happened to my father - and I'll never let that happen again.
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The effects of Ativan..and the dangerous ..deadly effects when combined with morphine

mentalhelp.net/articles/ativan-overdose/


Washington Post article on hospice patients getting lethal overdoses..even when not showing any pain ...

washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/08/21/as-more-hospices-enroll-patients-who-arent-dying-questions-about-lethal-doses-arise/?utm_term=.228190ff7b02
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I am feeling this same thing right now. I know that the morphine and Ativan that they are giving mom is making her high out of her mind. But this is all they say they can do to keep her comfortable. I honestly think this is there way of keeping her quiet, because they cannot be in her room 24/7. It is so sad. I was there last evening and my daughter can wake mom and get her to eat and drink and respond really well to us. But prior to us getting there she was asleep with her mouth opened and only that. I've ask them to spread her meds out to every 5 hours - but so far they haven't yet. It is such an awful thing to watch your parents die and not be able to do anything for them.
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Ishoemaker, I was wondering about your daughter giving her Grandmother food and liquids. Did Hospice say this was ok?

Why I ask, usually there comes a point in time when the organs start to shut down, and any food or liquid just sit in the stomach and in the kidneys making it quite painful because those organs can no longer process.

No, Hospice isn't giving your Mom meds to keep her quiet because they cannot be in her room around the clock. The meds are to keep Mom pain free. I rather had seen my own Mom in a peaceful deep sleep then crying in pain. Yes, it is a tough thing to watch a parent pass on.

We have to realize that this is our first rodeo and everything is new to us. Hospice has been doing their care for decades so they know exactly what to do. Ask questions if you are unsure about something. Hospice is available 24 hours a day via phone.
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My mother was on Hospice 1 full year. Toward the last month, mom fell into the same unresponsivness and was on morphine as well. During this time, they have one foot in the world, and the other in the spiritual world. This is how God prepares them for their final transition into the spiritual world. When mama died, it was almost angelic. So soft and gentle, like a lady. Remember God is in control. God bless you.
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I am agonizing over the drug treatment. my husband just died in hospice, completely unresponsivive
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most definitely, you are not alone with this
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Ishoemaker,

Please contact the Hospice Patients Alliance. They are patient advocates. You have a right to decline treatments and revoke the hospice Medicare benefit.
616-866-9127

I have left the phone number here in this comment, but things like that have a habit of disappearing around here. If it disappears, it can be found on their website.

You can stop this and get her out of there. Please, listen to your instincts.
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Elaine221,

The cream was a lethal drug cocktail that is commonly used by hospice.

It is ABHR Cream (Ativan 1mg/Benadryl 12.5mg/Haldol 0.5mg/Reglan 10mg)
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Prolife i thought you had enrolled in hospice and died!
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Veronica,

What an evil thing to say.

I truly hope others are paying attention to your language, as it reflects your personality.

Caution should be used when taking advice from someone with such a mindset.
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Caution should also be used when definitively identifying a nameless cream from the internet, Prolife. It could have been a compounded moisturizer with lavender oil from the description. You have put the possibility of this being "deadly" into the mind of someone causing them to question their action that they may have committed a serious sin when all they most likely did was to ease nausea.
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Veronica..what a horrible cruel thing to say to a person..in this case to Profile....just because she has a different view and understanding ..knowledge..on things...nothing is ever black and white in life.....and your mentality is sick ..perverted..to say this to her....but..on a different note..Actually..when my mother was dying..the cream was placed under her nostril..and she immediately passed..but in her case...death was an escape..release..from a horrible pain ..and internal decomposition ...as her colon was blocked..stomach cancer...I hated to see her go...but..her pain was a horrible one to experience...as for my brother...he wasn't in pain when he was overdosed by protocol....in his case..he was overdosed and declared dead..that was horrible..given the cocktail when he didn't need it..and declared dead in an overdose mode....but the hospice nurse did not do it intentionally...they just didn't know better and..did not have enough experience in these things...and she never saw a dead person before..which she only told me after the fact...and his pupils were pin point...not dialated ..and now have to live with this image and knowledge...
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Prolife; I said that it was "probably" a certain cream.

You seem to know what it was. You were there, were you?

I bow to your omniscience. Easing nausea is clearly against your beliefs.
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To dogabone: Wow; really? Some of your posts are kind of incredible, I think. I agree w/you though on one thing: you did jump the gun when you first posted in response to rosie123 and were kind of harsh and insensitive. We never know what someone else is going through. Possibly as though you were anry and bitter about something else and maybe chose this forum to vent. Maybe you were going through struggles. I’ll give you credit for apologizing though.

I’m not sure why you were offended and harped on rosie’s choice of topic title regarding Hospice. Why does it matter? Maybe it was a last-minute thought for her, but that’s why I read this: b/c I’m having thoughts and questions and need to talk to Hospice about my Mom. If you were offended by rosie123’s title, why did you even ‘click’ on it and then read this blog - and comment and continue reading? Maybe you enjoyed it or learned something from others.

I’m sorry for your losses and those of everyone on this forum. It’s very difficult watching our elderly parents go downhill or suffer. Or any of our family and friends. We don’t want to give them up, but we want them to have peace and know it’s ok to go.

My sister and I tell our Mom that we will be reunited with her, and she will be with all of the family and her friends, which she talks about each day. At 91, Mom has outlived 3 of her 6 children, our Dad, all of of her 7 siblings, most of her friends, and of course her parents. She says she’s ‘ready to go home’ and be w/all of them, and we understand. I’ll never be ready to give her up, but it’s hard to continue wishing her to stay when she has less quality of life each week and she hangs on b/c she loves us and is strong and a survivor. :)

Thank you all for letting me share/vent, and b/c of reading your stories, I now know I need to talk to Hospice, and also w/my sister so we can make decisions. Blessings to all of you and your families.
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After sparing with Prolife and offending others I decided to check out the Hospice Patients Alliance site.
It is actually a very informative site and far from what I expected. There is a great deal of information and I only had time to skim it.
It started by outlining the Hospice Philosophy which is a very good thing to read for anyone considering hospice. There is also a link which explains what hospice covers under Medicare /medicaid and many Insurance companies. This link is about 45 pages so takes a lot of time. 
All this information is well worth reading because it really tells you what hospice can and should be doing for their patients.
There are horror stories included which Prolife is fond of quoting. They are horrible and no one should have to go through the experiences those poor people suffered.
That however is not the focus of the site. In no way are they trying to disuade people from using these end of life services and to suggest that this is their purpose does, what is probably, a fine organization run by decicated volunteers a great disservice.
It is a 401c charitable organization and no one is paid. it is supported by voluntary contributions. I would actually recommend making memorial contributions to them for their fine service.
Now to the bad stuff which is none of their making. It is not just about what can and does regretfully happen in hospice but in the entire healthcare business these days.
From my own experience the elderly do get substandard care in some hospitals and I can only assume it is because they are considered expendable. I would have been left to die on several ocassions had not my husband spent every day and many nights at my bedside. Fortunately he is a retired MD and was able to advocate for me. Think no food for 10 days, missed doses of essential medications. So much IV fluid that I went into heart failure. This was in a major teaching hospital.
The bottom line is that money is driving the healthcare industry these days. Medicare patients can wait months to see a specialist because enough are not employed. You can't have an organ transplant if you are over 70 so if the person at the top of the list gets the first available organ, it may be from an older person and maybe only have a few years of life so the cycle has to begin again for a young person.
One hospital had no hand washing facilities either in the room or the corridor. There was a half bath but no one would use that because patients dirty hand had been on the taps. Instead they relied on hadsanitizer stations that were liberally supplied. I later spoke to the chief medical officer about that and other things. He said he had been trying to get the sinks installed for a long time but the board always refused him. This same hospital had beautiful grounds with huge pots of seasonal plants in perfect condition by all the entrances. This was very pleasant to see but wouldn't sinks be a better investment for the patient's welfare?
There is also some political stuff on the site which I won't go into because of A/C protocol. But the reality is that healthcare has become increasingly unaffordable.
There is also what I perceive as a push to enroll the sickest of us into what seems to me to be a paliative care program. The insurer for the medicare supplementary plans identifies those with the most long term health needs that they regard as fragile. At present it is voluntary and you still keep your PCP but there is a PA assigned to your case and visits monthly. There is also a RN who may also visit and help available 24/7.  The RN calls every two weeks to check on the patient. The patient is supposed to call some one on this team when any problem arises and someone will advise or visit. This is suposed to prevent unnecessary visits to ERs or wait for an appointment with the PCP. This sound very nice and convenient which of course it is and the patient can still consult and visit specials of their choice. The PA can also prescribe which is a convenience for minor things. There is also mobile X-ray and blood testing right in the home. This is a medicare program administered by the insurer. But being the nasty suspicious old lady that I have always been I   a m afraid it could be the thin end of the wedge for the elderly and disabled. PCPs are also required to ask patient's with long term diseases if they want to be a DNR or if they are sick of going to numerous Drs and would like Palliative care. My PCP apologised and said it was something she had to ask.
Anyone with a few hours to spare would learn a lot from visiting this site and I would thoroughly recommend taking a look. it is designed by caring people to help not to frighten.
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