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So you cared for your father for 10 years and "I also gave up much of adult life for my family and was there for each and everyone of them."

What other family members and how did you give up much of your adult life?

" I wasn't about to start looking through hundreds of items, packing and carry boxes."

You must have some idea of what you want. And less is more, especially if you want to lead a nomadic existence (6 months here, 6 months in another place). A good compromise is to take photos of items rather than lugging them every time you move and having to find someplace to store them.
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HI Lisa - I don't know your back story, but from this post, I think you should move if that's your interest - if that's what would make you happy. To move to get away from your brother isn't really necessary - you could just not be in communication. But, if getting a fresh start by moving is your intention, then go for it!
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lisatrevor Mar 2023
That's very true and that's what I have been considering. However, where I currently live is not at all where I would ever choose to live. It has some good points and bad, like every other place but the total environment is not very conducive to my well being. Or rather there are far better places that are.

I prefer panoramic or even spectacular locations, like by the sea, with mild climates or at least not cold or blazing hot. Where many of the people who are "in the know" about healthy living, about the world and have good taste in things and have good manners.

On the other hand being nearby to my father is priceless and it is very healthy for me. I could ask him if he would move to where I would go but that would be a major undertaking right now and would disturb his medical care which is still being sorted out. Possibly in the future as he gets stronger, and he's getting stronger day by day it seems. On the other hand I could in theory live where I want for like 6 months and come back for 6 months. I would have to plan that out but it may be possible.
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"If your brother apologizes, then why wouldn’t you accept his apology and go on from there?"

That has happened before and I immediately accepted it. But it was insincere in that not only did he do it many times again it appears the only reason he apologized at the time is because he needed me then. Now he doesn't need me at all.

I won't accept it again unless he acknowledges that it was totally unacceptable they way he treated me and that it will never happen again. I have never treated any of my family members with disrespect, at least in my adult life. If the positions were reversed I would have said something like "I really want to get the house cleaned out sooner than later. You told me the stuff would be out by now. I know you have been sick but when you are able, which should hopefully be within a few days, can we agree to have everything out by the end of the week? After that I can not wait because I have things to do, too. Unfortunately it will have to be thrown away.". That's the mature way to do it. Not "That's it. I've given you enough time. It's going in the trash now".
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lealonnie1 Mar 2023
When my x mil wanted all her stuff back, the "family heirlooms" that belonged to her, not me...I said fine. After 22 years, this was my reward, eh? I piled SO much chit into the foyer of my home, paintings, jewelry, bathrobes, silver.......stuff she'd given me and her son over the years......and told dh to come pick it up within 24 hours or I'd donate ALL OF IT TO GOODWILL which I was happy to do. He managed to speed over to my house and get every last bit of it, imagine that? And yep, she sold all of it at an auction house in NYC......so much for the "family heirlooms".

You have a very ugly and dysfunctional relationship w your brother (and the rest of them), piss him off left and right with all of your blatant jealousy issues, yet expect him to extend you courtesy's reserved for those we respect? Why would you expect such a thing??

My mil didn't respect me, obviously, and I never wound up speaking another word to her during the remainder of her lifetime. And I wound up holding back a French lace dress she had made for herself that cost $2k in 1945 too.......wrapped it in a zipper case and DONATED the damn thing to Goodwill. Spite comes into play in certain situations, whether you feel its warranted or not.

Why ask for advice here "Lisa" then blatantly ignore every bit of it? SMH
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Lisa,

It might be helpful if you started focusing on what you want out of life for yourself.

You have expressed that you feel slighted and you’re upset about being alone. I am quite sure that this is painful for you.

You have absolutely no control over how your family members think or feel. None, zero, zip, zilch, nada!

So, try to let go of the past. If you can’t do this on your own, seek therapy to help you find the tools needed to overcome being stuck.

How do you wish to view yourself? Does your brother’s opinion matter more to you than your own opinion of yourself?

The truth is that he is entitled to feel however he chooses, regardless of whether he is right or wrong. You are free to do the same.

I hope that you will find peace in the days ahead. You have experienced enough grief and deserve to be happy now.

If you are seeking a relationship with your family one day. then you have to leave the door open for healthy communication.

If you appear to be on edge and are extremely defensive with your responses, most people will not react the way that you would like them to.

They will feel that it is a waste of their time to try to have a meaningful conversation. No one likes to be remembered for the last crappy thing that they may have done.
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Lisa, look at it this way. All the stuff you retrieve will be stuff you have to store or move with. In reality, we don’t really need as much stuff as we have
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lisatrevor Mar 2023
I thought about that but some of it is very sentimental. Some of it is really nice and I can put it good use.
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I would call brother and tell him you are coming on this day and time to get the stuff from dad's house. Leave a voice mail or text if you want.
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Lisa, I have probably suggested this before, but I think putting both physical and mental distance between you and your family is a good idea.

I think you might find it useful to arrange for some mental health/therapy sessions for you.

I think meeting with an objective, trained professional could do wonders for your outlook and how you live your life, going forward.
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"Can you have someone else help you with going to remove things from your dad’s house?"

I don't know the status of the things in the house now and I might never. I can do it myself, if it's still there.
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sp19690 Mar 2023
You have keys go over.
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Lisa,

It is terribly sad that your family doesn’t get along the way a family should. I wish that it would have been resolved by now. I am sorry that nothing has changed in your family. It may never change.

There is nothing that you can do to change this. You can however; change how you live your life.

Don’t dwell on the past. It’s gone. It’s over. You can’t go back and fix it.

Look ahead now. Think about how you wish to live your life. Don’t worry about how they live their lives.

If a reconciliation happens in the future, great! If it doesn’t you will not have wasted your time and energy being consumed by how they have behaved or are behaving now.

This is not worth taking up any more space in your head or heart.
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lisatrevor Mar 2023
Thank you so much! My main issue is that I put in so much time and effort for my family. Now I'm all alone. This could actually be good in starting a new "chapter" in my life but it's still very difficult.

Reconciliation will only happen when my brother acknowledges the way he treated me was totally unacceptable. I doubt that will happen. He might apologize but it won't reconcile anything. He now has no need for me.
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My goodness this saga should be turned into a reality TV show! Lisa, if that is really who you are, move far away and start a new life. Move on, there is nothing more we can do for you here, your father is in AL, safe and likes it, and you are free!

Win, Win!
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BurntCaregiver Mar 2023
People would be tired of watching it after the pilot aires, MeDolly.
It's a very boring and tedious story.
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@lisatrevor

Many people here believe you are a troll who only comes to this group to get a laugh.
I believe you probably are, but today I'm feeling charitable and am going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
You have a long history here and have received scores of excellent and practical advice from the people in this group, myself included.
You have complained about how abusive your father and brother are to you in every way a person can be abused.
Now your father is in AL and you're free, except you're still sitting on the pity pot and whining about how mean your brother is.
If your father's house gets sold on May 1st, then that means any of the contents within the house become the property of the new owner.
So it's either you get in there and take what you want ot you don't.
Stop complaining and go get what you want out of the house while you're still able to.
No, you don't feel well. Work through it. People who actually have to be responsible for themselves and their lives still get on with their jobs. their kids, their education, and take care of business even when they don't feel good.
I don't feel good. In fact today, I woke up with a migraine.
I'm still at work though.
Good luck.
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lisatrevor Mar 2023
I needed to be near a bathroom and had severe stomach cramps for days. I wasn't about to start looking through hundreds of items, packing and carry boxes. That could have waited a few more days.

Right now I do not know if anything is still in the house and maybe never will.
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"Alva, I think Lisa did care for her father prior to him moving near the brother."

Yes. for ten years! I also gave up much of adult life for my family and was there for each and everyone of them. I never expected them to reciprocate but being abusive to me in various ways is completely dishonorable and something I no longer will accept.
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sp19690 Mar 2023
Good for you. It is heartbreaking when family treats their own that way.
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For those who have not followed Lisa

She did at one time cared for Dad

Dad chose to live near brother and brother finacially supported Dad by paying for his caregivers

Dad and son had agreed Dad would go into an AL ages back.

Lisa didn't want Dad in an AL, left where she was living to care for Dad and has complained since. She is looking for something from Dad and brother she will never get. Dad and brother do not respect her. Dad only listens to brother.

Take that opportunity Lisa and MOVE AWAY! The relationship
you want from your Dad and Brother will never happen. If I remember correctly, thats exactly what you said when you finally excepted that Dad was going into an AL, that when he is settled you can move away. Let Dad and brother have a break. You need it to.
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lisatrevor Mar 2023
You have one thing wrong. I only supported my father's right to not go into assisted living. I never said he should not.

What was hard for me to accept, give how "educated" and "smart" my brother and family is that I actually became a scapegoat for my father not going into assisted living years prior! I always thought scapegoating among families was a rare phenomena. It isn't!

You know what else is common? "Projection". That is someone assigning their negative qualities to another person. I can't believe my family did this. I thought it was something only to read in the psychology textbooks and practiced by abnormal people.
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Lisa,

I am glad to hear that your dad is doing well.

Of course you should move to wherever your heart desires.

I do hope that one day you and he can get along but if that isn’t in the cards, move ahead with living your own life. Don’t be bitter. Let it go and enjoy your life.
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You are probably never going to have a decent mutually respectful relationship with your brother.

From your posts he sounds like a very abrasive and angry person.

If the stuff doesnt have to get moved out until may 1st then whats the rush?

I hope you are feeling better and your brother didnt really throw the stuff away.

I think you should live where you want and where you will be happy. It doesnt sound like living near brother and dad is going to do that for you.
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lisatrevor Mar 2023
"If the stuff doesnt have to get moved out until may 1st then whats the rush?"

My brother wants to get it all over asap and no longer wants to deal with it. He has the POA and he has been working several hours a day for weeks taking care of all kinds of things related to my father's affairs. I get it. When I told him that I fully understand and sympathize with what he has been dealing with that didn't matter to him at all; just like my health didn't. He just wants what he wants. I also understand that he thought everything would be out last weekend and that didn't happen. I think our relationship is finally over this time. Thank you for your caring reply.
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First off--I'm so glad that dad is acclimating and doing well in his new home. That's got to be your 'happy takeaway' from what could have been awful.

Relatives are great until they aren't--and the emotions and drama that comes bubbling to the surface when family dynamics change cast a pall over what SHOULD be a positive, cleansing experience.

Does your brother have PoA? If so, you're kind of sunk without that 'authority'. He can move, clean, whatever, acc to his design and leave you 'voiceless'. If he is NOT PoA, and you are, then what YOU say, goes. Esp with dad being cognizant of what's going on.

What your brother is doing is pre-grieving dad's death. A lot of people have the idea to completely and quickly clear out a house when someone has made the move to a NH or whatever--and they want to get the home clean and empty and sold.

You've given him a really big timeline in which to act. I'd appeal to his heart and tell him YOU need the time right now.

If he is unwilling to be a little bit flexible--what are you planning to do? Do you have people on 'your side' and you can get things out of dad's house?

My YB went ballistic after mom died (in her apartment attached to his house). He stayed up for 3 straight days and cleaned her hoarded out apartment and when we went up there as siblings to go through her stuff--it was all gone.

He thought he was doing a great thing--and it turned out badly. I don't think my YS will ever speak to him again.

He WAS PoA for mom, but once she'd died, my OTHER YB was the executor and he was the one in 'charge'.

Luckily, we got through it, but there are hurt feelings and actual anger--which mom DID NOT want.

Talk to dad and have him talk to brother. Your dad must have feelings about having his old home dissembled and I bet he has stuff he'd like to see other people have. It sounds like your dad has enough cognition to make these decisions and he doesn't NEED YB in the mix.

IS YB generally mean to you? Dismissive of your feelings? I feel for you, you really cannot fight someone like that.
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AlvaDeer Mar 2023
Brother has POA, Midkid.
Lisa has a long long history here. She has always mixed it up with brother. She fought against this placement of Dad quite hard.
It is nice to hear Dad is thriving, but he kind of always was cared for. I think that her brother is WAY over things now. They have been the ones caring for Dad for some time.
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Lisa, for how long have you been asking us if you should move away?
For how long have we been saying "YES, please move away".
And last you wrote did you not tell us that indeed you WERE moving away?
WHY or why oh why would you expect your brother to like you any better than he has liked you all this time?

PLEASE EVERYONE
Read Lisa long long history here on the Forum.
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lisatrevor Mar 2023
This has been the most difficult time in my life. That's why. I have no one I can ask. At least I shared a good experience that my father is having at assisted living. I was concerned that it might not work out, at the least.
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Hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!! Take your Dad with you and place him near your new home. Commit to "no contact" with your cruel brother. An Elder Law Attorney can probably get a "cease and desist" to stop your brother. You can call Goodwill to schedule a truck to pick up what is in the house, rather than trashing everything that might be needed by other people. (also Salvation Army, maybe Habitat for Human?)
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AlvaDeer Mar 2023
Lisa cannot get rid of parent's possessions. That is up to the POA. And the POA is the brother and he and his wife have been doing the care forever and they are the ones that their Dad appointed their POA.
Lisa moved there and it has been nothing but battling the brother since then.
I feel very sorry for the brother. I would bet anything, after reading Lisa's posts to us for a long long long time that it is the BROTHER here who is being abused. Not Lisa.
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