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cwillie,I read that as well. It’s not getting more attention because men don’t have fallopian tubes .

In some states here in the US, some politicians ( mostly men ) are taking away access to abortion , even if it means without it the mother will die . In some states there have been cases where the fetus is not viable at all or has already died and the mother’s life was in grave danger without an abortion and was still denied an abortion . Some states are passing or trying to pass laws that it is illegal to go to another state even for a lifesaving abortion .

I won’t get into the pro life versus pro choice debate , except to say that the majority of Americans believe there should be access to abortion and birth control .

What I’m getting at is that , access to these things save women’s lives . Access to birth control saves teenagers lives . As pregnancy can frequently be high risk , especially for the younger teens . The teen pregnancy rate is at the lowest it has been in 50 years . These are facts.

Some politicians want insurance companies to stop covering the cost of birth control . What I don’t see is any talk about getting rid of access to Viagra or other similar meds , or penile implants etc . Viagra is very expensive but there is no talk of it not being paid for by insurance . There is no talk of restricting access to surgery for men’s sexual function .( And by the way men’s sexual dysfunction is not life threatening , but having access to treatment for this is not being taken away) .

So what all this tells me is that men’s sexual health matters , but women’s doesn’t even in a life threatening situation.
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This finding isn't even that new BOJ, and in the articles from reputable sources like Harvard Medicine and the Cleveland Clinic causation sounds pretty definite. The more I read the more gobsmacked I am.
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cwillie, my guess is, that it's not that simple. that's why it hasn't been getting that much attention. there are always pros/cons to removing something from the body. and it's possible it doesn't - really - reduce the risk of cancer. one can always find competent research that says the exact opposite of another competent research.
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A CBC article about a study showing that removal of the fallopian tubes cuts the rate of ovarian cancer had me doing some web research. It seems the most recent research suggests that ovarian cancer may actually begin in the fallopian tubes - simply removing them instead of having a tubal ligation or including their removal during a simple hysterectomy allows women to keep their ovaries and possibly eliminate ovarian cancer. This is HUGE, why hasn't this been getting more attention?
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anyone on the forum currently having an easy, relaxing, super productive, wonderful, happy, worry-free, day? ❤️

hahahaha.
yeah, i know. ok, back to dealing with my troubles...

hug ❤️🙂
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Have a good time, Need.

Happy Father's Day to all the dads on here. You deserve a good time.🎈🏀🍟🍩🍔🥩🍦
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Getting ready to out for a meal with our daughters for Father’s Day.

Happy Father’s Day to all dads!
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Great point Golden,
I will remember that if needed.
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(((((Eva)))) hope it continues to work for you.

I remember a young man, ex colleague of my then husband who was going through gall bladder attacks and much pain. After he had it removed he looked 10 years younger.
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Golden,
I did ask, no local for this type of surgery.
I am dreading next attack as it was the most painful thing, so avoiding it by eating nutrients dense mostly plant based diet seems to be working
Cwillie,
You are so right, more money is not the answer, waiting for GP appointment for more than 2 weeks, lab for 2 months, MRI 6 months, I could go on and on.
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Eva - I am with you on wanting to avoid surgery though I don't think it is because of fear. I would just prefer to find another way to deal with whatever if I can. If I have to have it - so be it. I will ask if it can be done with local anesthetic rather than general as general anesthetic messes with you more than local.

I have had general anesthetic three times - once as a preschool child to have my tonsils removed - it was ether, I think. The next time, ether again, during the childbirth process of my first child, my dd. That bothered me as I had already gone through all the pain, including an episiotomy without anesthetic, and she was coming out. Why deprived me of being conscious for her actual birth? And the last time about 40 years ago for a d and c following a miscarriage. When I woke up from that I was ready to walk home. So I haven't had any bad experiences with anesthetic.

My grandfather had his gall bladder removed in his 70s. He was very fit and trim. My mother (his dd) had hers removed when she was my age 86. She also was very fit and trim. It certainly isn't a matter of being obese. My father and his sisters never had gall bladders, or appendices removed. I hope I take after them. lol

cw - Your skinny friend with gall bladder issues - there may come a point for her...
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🎼🎵 there's nothing surer, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer🎶(ain't we got fun)
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cwillie, my opinion is the 1%-ers are taking up all the available labor and services because they can and will pay for whatever it takes to get it. This is based on my son's business... he's a specialty mason (building outdoor stone kichens, fireplaces, pool surrounds, etc). He's been on 1 small lakefront house job (multimillion dollar house) for 2 years for a "philanthropist" and she just keeps making up more stuff to add to her project. Now a huge developer wants him to work exclusively for them. This means he won't be doing work for the middle-class (or even upper middle class) clients. This applies to the healthcare industry as well.
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Evamar - my family have been consumers of our health care system since the 70's so I think I've learned a lot of the ins and outs, I think a lot of time the difference between those who get timely treatment and those who wait comes down to your GP's ability to think outside the box and to advocate for their patients. Back in the day my dad died while waiting for coronary bypass surgery, I now know that his doctor could have pushed him to the top of the list if the surgeon had been made aware his angina was no longer stable.
Of course the crisis now due to lack of staff is it's own kind of special h3ll, I don't know how to get around that because all the money in the world can't manufacture enough health care workers.
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My skinny vegetarian friend was plagued with gall stones and she refused any kind of surgery because she's very anti doctor/modern medicine. I assume her natural treatments are working for her 🤷🏻‍♀️
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Andy Warhol was thin! My younger brother is not obese either but he doesn’t have the best diet!

Diet does affect everything! I’m careful with diet because of the heart disease and diabetes in my family.

I like sweets too but only once in awhile. Everything in moderation is best.
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Way2 tired,
I did have quite sweet tooth so who knows? I ate lots of chocolate, some pastries, almost nothing for 2 months.
Thank you MD,
It is reassuring to hear that. I am sure it is simple surgery, but that is my rational side, fear is not.
As I was googling lots while sick, interesting fact Andy Warhol died of gallbladder surgery. But, as discovered he was in poor health.
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Evamar, I’m sorry you are having this problem . You eat healthy and it still happened. Some things run in families as well . Or you could just be one of those random cases. Like you said though , probably most of us have stones as we get older and don’t even know it.
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Need: Prayers for your brother. Kidney stones are very painful. I've had my share of them.
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Way2tired,
Good point. I just assumed by not looking closer removing gallstones is done somehow different.
Llama,
Thank you. Feeling so much better.
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Evamar: Glad that you are feeling better now.
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Evamar , I just did a little googling as well about removal of gallstones. What I found was it said in most cases, it’s no more difficult to remove the gallbladder than it is to remove just the stones , and the surgical risks are the same. So I guess the thought process is once and done, since reoccurrence of stones is frequent .

Good luck . My mother had hers done in her late 70’s . She did great .
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Way2tired,
Thank you for reassurance.
I know it is simple procedure, as terrified as I am, I know if I have another attack I will go to hospital and have gallbladder
removed.
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Evamar,
That is a reasonable assumption that breaking up the stones would be tried if someone is fearful of surgery or if surgery ( or anesthesia ) is too dangerous for someone. However , the success rate for breaking up the stones isn’t great .

I used to work for a general surgeon . Surgeons like to do surgery , however, she was pretty conservative in not jumping to surgery especially if the patient was high risk for having any surgery . That being said, removal of gallbladder has gotten so simple , even she did that frequently.
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Way2tired,
Quick search showed me they do in US stone breaking instead of removing gallbladder. It is my understanding it is simple procedure like removing kidney stones.Perhaps for those like me who are terrified of any surgery.Or some people cannot have surgery.And why I got them remains a mystery as I am healthy and slim and eat good food, nothing processed, no trans fats ever or very little. But, as they say everybody has them, especially females over 40, most don’t cause any problems
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Regarding gallstones. In the US, surgeons usually remove the whole gallbladder rather than just the stones, because once an individual has gallstones it is common to develop gallstones again . It has gotten to be a simple procedure to remove the gallbladder unless someone’s anatomy ( meaning the gallbladder is tucked behind another organ ) causes it to be difficult to reach and remove via laparoscope . I don’t know specific examples of why a surgeon would recommend only removing the stones .

I personally think that the obesity problem in the US is why they just remove the whole gallbladder because they know these people will get stones again . Not everyone who gets gallstones is obese. However, gallbladder removal is one of the most common surgeries here because of the high amount of fat in the diets.
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Thanks, MD

He’s doing well now.
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Golden,Thank you. Feeling good now, although it took me quite a while to get better, I wasn’t as strong as usual as I was not eating, I think due to antibiotics. Really annoying as I hardly get headache or cold. But started doing squats and weights again, moderate exercise for now. Good to hear you almost moved and R is OK, I believe you mentioned knee surgery, hope all goes well.We decided we wait till next year as condos are scarce, one they building across a river from us is appealing, but won’t be ready until next year. The housing market is crazy!
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Eva - sorry to hear you were ill, but glad you are better now, Out west here our experience is that for cancer the wait for surgery is not long. For knee replacement there is a long waiting list.
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NHWM,
Thank you, in USA yes, not here.
Our wonderful( sarcasm intended) medical system is failing.
My husband who was referred to Pain Clinic over a year ago got official letter yesterday that he was accepted but waiting time is 14-16 months which means first assessment will be next year Aug-Oct. Meanwhile his GP says it is due to Parkinson’s disease, his neurologist says it is not, during visit to hospital he was told to go to GP. So we go round and round. And he suffers with pain, different or stronger meds don’t help. My intuition tells me there is more, yet, it is ignored.
Our best friend is waiting for surgery for cancer, postponed till next month. Scary to get sick, I will look into that as my son lives in USA, removing gallstones should be simple, I am terrified of any surgery. Actually more of going under and not waking up. Honestly, my biggest fear.
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