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Whoa ... if it is, then I got a really great deal.
Is this application for a single person with low income and few assets? There is no reason you can't do this for yourself. If the financial picture is complicated and this is going to include setting up trusts, etc, or if this is for a married couple, then an attorney who specializes in Elder Law (this is critical) might be very worthwhile. But that price seems excessive.
Why not start with calling your Area Agency on Aging, and ask if they have resources to help with Medicaid applications -- maybe classes or seminars or some individual counseling about it. Then decide what you want to spend on an attorney's help.
Edited: I was going through this 15 years ago. Naturally fees have increased like everything else.
To assist with just the Medicaid application, that is far too much..If it is more, such as setting up a trust to protect assets from Medicaid once the love one passes away, then it is still too much. I paid $7000 in 2008 to have the attorney do a myriad of things, including about 20 legal documents, wills, trusts, POA, health care poa and on and on, AND handle the Medicaid application from stem to stern, plus oversee the ins and outs of the "spend down" of assets during the Medicaid application process, and still more. If you live in Manhattan it might be par for the course; if you live in Peoria, it is much too much.
not an expert, never applied for myself or any other family member. but that seems super excessive. unless attorney is doing something that is protecting the persons money/assests, so they can qualify? otherwise I don't think applying is that difficult (?)
sorry maybe I shouldn't even post, since im not very helpful
I work for a senior living community and I fill them out all the time. In saying that, the residents are low income so the application is easy. There is also Medicaid offices that will help you fill them out. If the estate is complicated it might cost to have an attorney help but for just the Medicaid application this is to much.
I did it for free, over the phone. There must be more going on money wise. Hmm...Medicaid is for the indigent, can't see why an attorney would even be needed.
tribbles48, it all depends on what is involved. As others have mentioned, if your Mom is getting a Revocable Trust, that can take quite a bit of time. Is Mom also getting a new Will or Living Will? What about a Medical Directive which Mom relays her wishes for the final months of care, etc? Plus the time and energy for the Attorney to go through the maze called Medicaid.
I hope your Mom is using an "Elder Law Attorney" and not a jack of all trades Attorney who is learning as he/she goes along. Elder Law Attorneys are up-to-date on everything related to Medicaid, etc. Does the Attorney have experienced para-legals familiar with all that is Elder and with Medicaid that can help with this work, as their hourly rate is much less? The Attorney will review their work.
Does Mom call the Attorney a half dozen times during the week to ask questions? The clock starts running as soon as the phone is answered.
I see from your profile that Mom lives in a nursing home? If Mom is clear mind, does the Attorney need to travel out to see her to talk with her about the legals documents? If yes, the clock starts ticking as soon as the Attorney leaves the law office, thus Mom would be charged with travel time.
Usually a bill from an Attorney or a Law Firm is broken down as to what all is involved.
By proceeding, I agree that I understand the following disclosures:
I. How We Work in Washington.
Based on your preferences, we provide you with information about one or more of our contracted senior living providers ("Participating Communities") and provide your Senior Living Care Information to Participating Communities. The Participating Communities may contact you directly regarding their services.
APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid.
We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
III. When We Tour.
APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
IV. No Obligation or Commitment.
You have no obligation to use or to continue to use our services. Because you pay no fee to us, you will never need to ask for a refund.
V. Complaints.
Please contact our Family Feedback Line at (866) 584-7340 or ConsumerFeedback@aplaceformom.com to report any complaint. Consumers have many avenues to address a dispute with any referral service company, including the right to file a complaint with the Attorney General's office at: Consumer Protection Division, 800 5th Avenue, Ste. 2000, Seattle, 98104 or 800-551-4636.
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APFM does not (and may not) require or even ask consumers seeking senior housing or care services in Washington State to sign waivers of liability for losses of personal property or injury or to sign waivers of any rights established under law.
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This E-Sign Acknowledgement and Authorization applies to these Disclosures and all future Disclosures related to APFM's services, unless I revoke my authorization. You may revoke this authorization in writing at any time (except where we have already disclosed information before receiving your revocation.) This authorization will expire after one year.
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You consent to APFM's reaching out to you using a phone system than can auto-dial numbers (we miss rotary phones, too!), but this consent is not required to use our service.
Is this application for a single person with low income and few assets? There is no reason you can't do this for yourself. If the financial picture is complicated and this is going to include setting up trusts, etc, or if this is for a married couple, then an attorney who specializes in Elder Law (this is critical) might be very worthwhile. But that price seems excessive.
Why not start with calling your Area Agency on Aging, and ask if they have resources to help with Medicaid applications -- maybe classes or seminars or some individual counseling about it. Then decide what you want to spend on an attorney's help.
Edited: I was going through this 15 years ago. Naturally fees have increased like everything else.
Grace + Peace,
Bob
but that seems super excessive.
unless attorney is doing something that is protecting the persons money/assests, so they can qualify?
otherwise I don't think applying is that difficult (?)
sorry maybe I shouldn't even post, since im not very helpful
I hope your Mom is using an "Elder Law Attorney" and not a jack of all trades Attorney who is learning as he/she goes along. Elder Law Attorneys are up-to-date on everything related to Medicaid, etc. Does the Attorney have experienced para-legals familiar with all that is Elder and with Medicaid that can help with this work, as their hourly rate is much less? The Attorney will review their work.
Does Mom call the Attorney a half dozen times during the week to ask questions? The clock starts running as soon as the phone is answered.
I see from your profile that Mom lives in a nursing home? If Mom is clear mind, does the Attorney need to travel out to see her to talk with her about the legals documents? If yes, the clock starts ticking as soon as the Attorney leaves the law office, thus Mom would be charged with travel time.
Usually a bill from an Attorney or a Law Firm is broken down as to what all is involved.