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15 years ago, my mom had a massive stroke at 60yrs old leaving her paralyzed on one side. After 9 months in rehab, she went home where my father has cared for her. An aide came in about 2 days a week. Fast-forward to 2024...she had another stroke in June, went to rehab and the plan was for her to go back home and my dad would care for her. After 3 days at home, my dad realized he could no longer do it. She's incontinent and can no longer help move herself in the bed, etc. My dad is 78 and she needs to have two people move her to change her, change sheets, bathe, etc. All of us decided it was best to move her to a SNF. However, 2 months into this my mom continues to cry, state she's signing herself out, says she was forced to go there, and states she wants to die. She doesn't want to wake up, and even stated that maybe she'd roll out of bed, hit her head and be dead. She said she will refuse going to the hospital due to any infection, dehydration, etc. She is on 2 types of meds for anxiety and depression, but we feel she needs a psych evaluation. The nursing home's communication is terrible, we've had issues with aides, called the police against one for abuse, etc. We don't know what to do anymore. They gave her a dose of Ativan, but said it can't be used for long-term. There are no other options locally to move her with "better care". All she wants is to go home, but my dad can't care for her anymore. Her needs are too high. We all feel terrible. We don't have the funds for private pay. I still work full-time and have a special needs child myself. Thoughts? Suggestions?? We feel is 100% depressed. This stroke was in the frontal lobe where all decision making occurs, emotions, etc. She used to be the MOST positive person and always felt someone else was worst off than her....that "mom" is now gone. :(

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Hospice will do a few things. They will allow mom to be medicated for anxiety as needed, w/o worrying about addiction and all that nonsense, because she'll be having end of life care. At this stage of life, oftentimes the only thing that will help IS medication to keep a person comfortable and not stressed out, crying and miserable all the time. No more measures will be taken to prolong moms life, like trips to the ER where everyone waits around for a minimum of 4 hours of poking and prodding for no useful outcome. Hospice provides a hospital bed, supplies, meds, a CNA to bathe mom 2x a week, an RN to see her once a week, a chaplain and a social worker who all talk to her about her wishes. Medicare pays fully for hospice which is another layer of care for her. She'd need to be evaluated to qualify. Her doctor can write an order for a hospice evaluation at any time. A reevaluation is done every 6 months if mom is still alive to see if she still qualifies.

Having had a second stroke, mom may indeed qualify for hospice because strokes often lead to more strokes. It doesn't hurt to ask.

Good luck to you.
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Your mom has every right to be not only depressed but down right pissed off as well. You may need to talk to her doctors not only about a psych evaluation, but perhaps changing or adding to her antidepressants.
I would just continue to try and be upbeat when you all visit and call her and make sure that someone is visiting her on a regular basis to be able to keep an eye on her care there.
If your mom is truly that miserable then I do hope and pray that the Good Lord will take her Home sooner than later.
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Why would this be necessarily depression?
Would you want to continue to live in these circumstances?
Personally I would not. I feel that her feelings should be understood and respected. I would tell her "Mom I am so sorry. We understand you no longer wish to live. But this is not currently an option. We have to do the best we can. We know this hurts you, and it hurts us, as well".

While an anti-depressant try may help a bit, I feel your mother's feelings are rational and are being expressed. Your negating her honest feelings may be making her feel more and more despairing and desperate. This is a dreadful dreadful sentence to have to serve at the end of life, losing EVERYTHING you every had, everything you ever were. Here feelings are, imho, justified. I would have long ago done VSED (voluntarily stopping eating and drinking), and would have included my family in that decision.

I think it is time to get an MD to order a psychological or psychiatric consult and time to try and anti depressant. I have little hope that it will help, but I cannot think of anything else you can do now but allow your mother to mourn the fact she no longer has a life, but is forced to live this one.
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Beachlover74 Sep 22, 2024
Yes, I agree 1000%! I have told her that I respect how she feels and that I, personally, can't understand how she feels. I'm not in her situation. I cried last night as we were on the phone. It makes me so angry she's in this situation and sad that this is where she will take her last breath. It's awful. I guess I suggested depression because of the situation. She says she hates the way she feels. Thank you for your response. My dad and I said that a psych evaluation was needed, too.
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Mom is depressed , angry and grieving . These are all a given with a debilitating stroke . With time and meds her mood may improve to a degree. However , it may not and you can’t fix that .

You are grieving as well .
When you visit , If allowed bring her foods she likes , that is safe according to her swallowing abilities, ask speech pathologist . Bring her flowers , offer to read to her , music she may want to listen to . If her mood improves , offer to bring photo albums she can look at .
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They all say that. Just ignore it. Her situation cannot be changed, and there is nothing anyone can do aside from experimenting with different meds or finding a different facility.

If she’s a candidate for hospice ( in the facility NOT in the home!) consider that.
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cover9339 22 hours ago
Lady in the facility would say that when the aides did not go to her room immediately. She was something else.
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I'm so sorry anyone has to go through this, just remember the mom you new and not the demented mom you have now. I'm also a very positive person, and would hate to put my family though this. So I'm wondering what do you think your mom would want? With that being said, I'm wondering if they have evaluated your mom for hospice, or if you asked them too.

All that really can be done is to try different meds to find one that helps.

Sending thoughts,👃, and best wishes.
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Beachlover74 Sep 22, 2024
Hospice? When you say evaluate her for that, could you explain? Thank you....
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What can hospice do? I'd appreciate additional information....thanks!
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AlvaDeer Sep 22, 2024
I myself don't think Hospice appropriate here. She hasn't been given an end of life diagnosis in which her death is expected within six months.l
I WOULD go to palliative care.
That means that you are not treating toward "cure" and that you understand there is little now to "treat". It means you would not do things like have tube feedings go. You would not attempt to prolong her life. You would opt for comfort care. You recognize that she is not going to "get better" and that comfort and quality of life in so far as possible is now the goal.

You can easily find explanations of Hospice care, Palliative care online.
So sorry your Mom is suffering so. This is hard for her to bear, and for you and your father also.
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I'm so sorry about how your mom feels. She reminds me of a lady at the facility who was somewhat similar. She would mention about dying, and yelling help with crying when she didn't get what she wanted when she wanted it.

She was/is similar in her moving as well. She had therapy to at least stand and/or walk, but she did nothing, so they discharged her from there (she was given 2 chances).

Eventually, she got her wish to leave, cried while waiting for them to take her to the other facility. didn't like it, wanted to come back, and was denied.

I can hear her now, yelling help,, crying and banging on her bedside table.
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